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		<title>By: Jaun Millalonco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaun Millalonco</dc:creator>
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		<description>My first visit here, found the blog accidentally really, and I just wanted to say I&#039;ve enjoyed my visit and had some good reads while here :)
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		<title>By: Randy Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kf and Helen: 

I don&#039;t know of any evidence that &quot;yao&quot; is formed from 一 and 号.  There is a character for that yao1: 幺.  I don&#039;t have any etymological dictionaries here that happen to include that character (it&#039;s very infrequent), so I can&#039;t check it and give you any reference, but I wouldn&#039;t assume there was any relationship between 幺, 一, and 号.

People use 幺 when saying phone numbers and other non-quantitative numbers presumably to add more contrast with 七.

You can say:
一个, 两个

But you cannot say:
*幺个, *二个

When yao1 is written nowadays, it is written like this: &quot;1&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kf and Helen: </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know of any evidence that &#8220;yao&#8221; is formed from <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%80">一</a> and <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%8F%B7">号</a>.  There is a character for that yao1: <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%B9%BA">幺</a>.  I don&#8217;t have any etymological dictionaries here that happen to include that character (it&#8217;s very infrequent), so I can&#8217;t check it and give you any reference, but I wouldn&#8217;t assume there was any relationship between <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%B9%BA">幺</a>, <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%80">一</a>, and <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%8F%B7">号</a>.</p>
<p>People use <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%B9%BA">幺</a> when saying phone numbers and other non-quantitative numbers presumably to add more contrast with <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%83">七</a>.</p>
<p>You can say:<br />
<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%80%E4%B8%AA">一个</a>, <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%A4%E4%B8%AA">两个</a></p>
<p>But you cannot say:<br />
*<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%B9%BA%E4%B8%AA">幺个</a>, *<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%BA%8C%E4%B8%AA">二个</a></p>
<p>When yao1 is written nowadays, it is written like this: &#8220;1&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re welcome :o)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome <img src='http://laowaichinese.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 05:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicki,

Thanks for the tip!  I&#039;m now a subscriber of Beijing Shengr.  I enjoyed some of the posts so much that I&#039;m thinking about doing a little feature on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicki,</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip!  I&#8217;m now a subscriber of Beijing Shengr.  I enjoyed some of the posts so much that I&#8217;m thinking about doing a little feature on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 02:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another blog I read, Beijing sounds, had a recent entry on sounds being dropped from the middle of phrases, and he does include recordings. Check it out:

http://www.bjshengr.com/bjs/?p=21</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another blog I read, Beijing sounds, had a recent entry on sounds being dropped from the middle of phrases, and he does include recordings. Check it out:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bjshengr.com/bjs/?p=21" rel="nofollow">http://www.bjshengr.com/bjs/?p=21</a></p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 13:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Chinese, 1 is supposed to represent the most important thing/person.
e.g.
yīhào wénjiàn一号文件 : the important document 
dì yi míng : number one

And, ‘important’ in Chinese is zhòngyào.
There are some words like
 yàodiǎn要点:main point 
 yàowén要闻:the important news 
 Yàojiàn要件:the important document.
So, I guess, maybe the people speak ‘yao’ to show the special meaning of ‘yi hao’.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Chinese, 1 is supposed to represent the most important thing/person.<br />
e.g.<br />
yīhào wénjiàn<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%80%E5%8F%B7%E6%96%87%E4%BB%B6">一号文件</a> : the important document<br />
dì yi míng : number one</p>
<p>And, ‘important’ in Chinese is zhòngyào.<br />
There are some words like<br />
 yàodiǎn<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%A6%81%E7%82%B9">要点</a>:main point<br />
 yàowén<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%A6%81%E9%97%BB">要闻</a>:the important news<br />
 Yàojiàn<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%A6%81%E4%BB%B6">要件</a>:the important document.<br />
So, I guess, maybe the people speak ‘yao’ to show the special meaning of ‘yi hao’.</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kf,

I never knew that&#039;s where &quot;yao&quot; came from.  But that makes sense.  It&#039;s kind of like my theory for where &quot;zheige&quot; and &quot;neige&quot; came from (the alternative pronunciations of &quot;zhege&quot; 这个 and &quot;nage&quot; 那个).  I thought, probably people were saying &quot;zhe yi ge&quot; 这一个 so much it just became &quot;zheige&quot; when spoken because the number one (&quot;yi&quot; 一) isn&#039;t really necessary there.  I just thought of that riding my bike home one day in Kunming, but maybe there&#039;s some linguistic evidence that can confirm or deny my little theory.  Anyone know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kf,</p>
<p>I never knew that&#8217;s where &#8220;yao&#8221; came from.  But that makes sense.  It&#8217;s kind of like my theory for where &#8220;zheige&#8221; and &#8220;neige&#8221; came from (the alternative pronunciations of &#8220;zhege&#8221; <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%BF%99%E4%B8%AA">这个</a> and &#8220;nage&#8221; <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E9%82%A3%E4%B8%AA">那个</a>).  I thought, probably people were saying &#8220;zhe yi ge&#8221; <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%BF%99%E4%B8%80%E4%B8%AA">这一个</a> so much it just became &#8220;zheige&#8221; when spoken because the number one (&#8220;yi&#8221; <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%80">一</a>) isn&#8217;t really necessary there.  I just thought of that riding my bike home one day in Kunming, but maybe there&#8217;s some linguistic evidence that can confirm or deny my little theory.  Anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: Albert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 11:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

Great to hear from you.  It seems like it&#039;s been a while since you chimed in.  As always, you&#039;re contributions are very useful and highly entertaining.  I love the accent approximations and combos!  I had no idea.  But to people ever SAY &quot;biao&quot; when they mean &quot;bu yao&quot; or is it just for texting?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>Great to hear from you.  It seems like it&#8217;s been a while since you chimed in.  As always, you&#8217;re contributions are very useful and highly entertaining.  I love the accent approximations and combos!  I had no idea.  But to people ever SAY &#8220;biao&#8221; when they mean &#8220;bu yao&#8221; or is it just for texting?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These reductions are a lot of fun. The culture of instant messaging has managed to do the same thing to the Chinese language that it has to English, and there are tons of these little conventions in regular use. Here are a few more common ones I know of and the characters they use for them: 

浆(jiang4, &quot;sauce&quot;) for 这样(zhe4 yang4, &quot;like this&quot;)
表(biao3) for 不要(bu2 yao4)

There&#039;s a complex world out there of 火星文 (huo3 xing1 wen2, &quot;Martian&quot;), the way people refer in Taiwan to wierd, unorthodox little conventions of speech used by young people on their cell phones. Totally contrary to what I thought when first understood Chinese was an ideographic language, there seems to be a way to write anything! Take this:

偶口以吗？(ou3 kou3 yi3 ma?, &quot;Can I?&quot;)
Some people use 偶(ou3) for 我(wo3) and 口(kou3) for 可(ke3) because it represents how someone would say this sentence with a strong Taiwanese accent.

They&#039;ve got Taiwanese-isms, Cantonese-isms, even loan words that came from English through Japanese:

麻吉(ma2 ji2) from Japanese マッチ(macchi, I think) from the English word &quot;match&quot;.

The ones they use straight from English are the coolest:

黑皮(hei1 pi2) from &quot;happy&quot;
咕狗(gu1 gou3, &quot;muttering dog&quot;?) from &quot;Google&quot;
3Q (san1 Q) for &quot;thank you&quot;


Hope that was interesting. +U everyone! 886!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These reductions are a lot of fun. The culture of instant messaging has managed to do the same thing to the Chinese language that it has to English, and there are tons of these little conventions in regular use. Here are a few more common ones I know of and the characters they use for them: </p>
<p><a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E6%B5%86">浆</a>(jiang4, &#8220;sauce&#8221;) for <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%BF%99%E6%A0%B7">这样</a>(zhe4 yang4, &#8220;like this&#8221;)<br />
<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E8%A1%A8">表</a>(biao3) for <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E4%B8%8D%E8%A6%81">不要</a>(bu2 yao4)</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a complex world out there of <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E7%81%AB%E6%98%9F%E6%96%87">火星文</a> (huo3 xing1 wen2, &#8220;Martian&#8221;), the way people refer in Taiwan to wierd, unorthodox little conventions of speech used by young people on their cell phones. Totally contrary to what I thought when first understood Chinese was an ideographic language, there seems to be a way to write anything! Take this:</p>
<p><a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%81%B6%E5%8F%A3%E4%BB%A5%E5%90%97%EF%BC%9F">偶口以吗？</a>(ou3 kou3 yi3 ma?, &#8220;Can I?&#8221;)<br />
Some people use <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%81%B6">偶</a>(ou3) for <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E6%88%91">我</a>(wo3) and <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%8F%A3">口</a>(kou3) for <a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%8F%AF">可</a>(ke3) because it represents how someone would say this sentence with a strong Taiwanese accent.</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve got Taiwanese-isms, Cantonese-isms, even loan words that came from English through Japanese:</p>
<p><a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E9%BA%BB%E5%90%89">麻吉</a>(ma2 ji2) from Japanese マッチ(macchi, I think) from the English word &#8220;match&#8221;.</p>
<p>The ones they use straight from English are the coolest:</p>
<p><a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E9%BB%91%E7%9A%AE">黑皮</a>(hei1 pi2) from &#8220;happy&#8221;<br />
<a title="Look up in MDBG Chinese-English dictionary" target="_blank" href="http://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php?wdqcham=1&amp;wdrst=0&amp;wdqchs=%E5%92%95%E7%8B%97">咕狗</a>(gu1 gou3, &#8220;muttering dog&#8221;?) from &#8220;Google&#8221;<br />
3Q (san1 Q) for &#8220;thank you&#8221;</p>
<p>Hope that was interesting. +U everyone! 886!</p>
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		<title>By: kf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 07:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, bie is a word. But it does have a close meaning to bu yao. Bie is quite polite way of saying don&#039;t. Bu yao -&gt; don&#039;t. Bie -&gt; Please don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, bie is a word. But it does have a close meaning to bu yao. Bie is quite polite way of saying don&#8217;t. Bu yao -&gt; don&#8217;t. Bie -&gt; Please don&#8217;t.</p>
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